Curse

SotiCoto · Sep 03, 2007, 09:02 PM // 21:02

Just a thought here...
The Asuran Title Track skill "Pain Inverter":
For 6...10 seconds, every time target foe deals damage that foe takes 80...140% of the damage it causes (maximum 80 damage).

But has anyone tested to see whether Pain Inverter's effects take place before or after damage reduction?
It it takes place BEFORE damage reduction... then it could potentially be obscenely lethal on a 600hp monk... or possibly the 330hp Rit build that seems to have popped up...

Am I barking up the wrong tree or not?

Celeborn · Sep 04, 2007, 01:23 AM // 01:23

Try it and find out. :P

Red Apple · Sep 04, 2007, 06:22 AM // 06:22

I'm drooling to try this tho I still dont get that skill... could anybody point me where on game you get it?

SotiCoto · Sep 04, 2007, 10:37 AM // 10:37

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Originally Posted by Celeborn

Try it and find out. :P

Not only has my Monk not accessed Eye of the North yet (nor my Ritualist, who is still level 3 on Shing Jea).... but she doesn't have a 600hp build (i.e. neither the armour nor all the skills needed).

I was hoping someone else could let me know beforehand.... as it will take me a LONG time before I'm able to test it.

Celeborn · Sep 04, 2007, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Just tried it quickly on the Warriors outside market place with a 600hp monk. Does the damage, just a little slow with the recharge. Even then, 1 cast near kills 1 warrior in HM. On a boss it could be quicker though, and Signet of Illusions would help.

Rainbird · Sep 04, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

And in combination with Retribution? (My monk is nowhere near Rata Sum)

Guildmaster Cain · Sep 04, 2007, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Spoil Victor on a 55 would be better though, doing 85 dmg and the hex lasts longer

damack x · Sep 04, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Won't work really good, unless you take a team with you and minions, thats the only how you can spike bosses..

might work on assassin boss tho..with double hitting and stuff.

royal mercenary · Sep 04, 2007, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain

Spoil Victor on a 55 would be better though, doing 85 dmg and the hex lasts longer

they were talking about 600hp /330rt not bout a 55hp :s that build is old news and standard

Red Apple · Sep 05, 2007, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by Celeborn

Just tried it quickly on the Warriors outside market place with a 600hp monk. Does the damage, just a little slow with the recharge. Even then, 1 cast near kills 1 warrior in HM. On a boss it could be quicker though, and Signet of Illusions would help.

Doesnt signet of illusions only affect spells?

SotiCoto · Sep 05, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Red Apple

Doesnt signet of illusions only affect spells?

Pain Inverter = Hex Spell.

Guildmaster Cain · Sep 05, 2007, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by royal mercenary

they were talking about 600hp /330rt not bout a 55hp :s that build is old news and standard

And I was talking about this 'new' 600 build bs the old proven build. Why come up with a new build when a old build is better. I cant think of any situation when u want a 600 hp instead of 55. Except ofcourse if you are using retribution and stuff.

Anyway, the damage is not very high, and the recharge of the skill is 20 second I think, so that would make it kinda useless....
Not even when u have grinded 1000s of hours to max the title, it will still not be better then the damage to solo bosses with SV.

tuna-fish_sushi · Sep 05, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

The benefit of this skill > SV is that it is not elite. That means you can use spell breaker or some other Elite or both for a 165 damage per hit. And for 600monk / 330 rit The foe DOESNT have to have less health then you so it is really useful.

Also 80 damage is just the damage at Rank 1 Asura at rank 5 you do 108.

Celeborn · Sep 06, 2007, 01:37 AM // 01:37

Went to cap Avatar of Balth for my dervish hero. Took the guy down in 5 seconds with Pain Inverter. Amazing skill.

Red Apple · Sep 06, 2007, 06:53 AM // 06:53

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Originally Posted by Celeborn

Went to cap Avatar of Balth for my dervish hero. Took the guy down in 5 seconds with Pain Inverter. Amazing skill.

*Drooooools*

SotiCoto · Sep 06, 2007, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain

And I was talking about this 'new' 600 build bs the old proven build. Why come up with a new build when a old build is better. I cant think of any situation when u want a 600 hp instead of 55. Except ofcourse if you are using retribution and stuff.

Anyway, the damage is not very high, and the recharge of the skill is 20 second I think, so that would make it kinda useless....
Not even when u have grinded 1000s of hours to max the title, it will still not be better then the damage to solo bosses with SV.

Nothing is stopping you using Spoil Victor AND Pain Inverter... potentially.
If PI triggers before damage reduction from Protective Spirit and you happen to be wearing Shing Jea armour (as my monk does) then it should still be doing the same amount of damage... which coupled with SV could mean super health-rape.
In fact... as soon as I can get Pain Inverter (and a ton of Asura Faction with added energy bonus on top) with my Monk, I'll be testing that as well.

Marverick · Sep 07, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04

20 second recharge is a bit prohibitive though... with Spoil Victor you can get 36% HSR with dual 20% HSR mods, and it only recharges in 10 seconds to begin with.

tuna-fish_sushi · Sep 07, 2007, 03:28 AM // 03:28

Again its not a Spoil Victor OR Pain Inverter only. You CAN use both at the same time so this is not a SV vs PI thread. Its just a thread that may bring a rebirth to 605monks. 160+ damage per (HM's almost 2) hits per second. Thats a huge 320 damage per second.

TechnoSword · Sep 07, 2007, 04:13 AM // 04:13

A sweet thing I noticed on this is I use it with my warrior and 2 times I noticed it shine was when a Roaring Ether used E-surge after I casted it on him and after he casted he instantly died after seeing like 80 80's pop up lol. Another time was fighting Muraki and when she used Murakis Consumption we took a bad hit, but she took a chunk of damage as well lol.

Pillie · Sep 08, 2007, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Pain inverter officially pwns the ele boss in raisu palace. Let him close to starburst some henchies - instant death for him.